The Asur Crossroads Challenge

[vectorawx3]

It's alright. It drops spearmen for white lions and a flimsy chariot for a BSB. It's definately more effective, hence I think we should stick with the old list.

[mantiszero]

I like the curreny build, i think we should all play a good 5-10 games then discuss changes.

I dont like the Lion Chariot... like i said, i would rather take a 6th Prince and a 2nd Bolt Thrower but thats just me wanting to make more stuff dead in the shooting phase!!!

I am down with the $20 per person, i think i suggested that on the Colonial boards so i am in!

[mantiszero]

Ohh and at Crossroads we all need to put our armies on the table and take a picture of 11,000+ points of total Elf Gayness!!! ;D

[vectorawx3]

As long as my elves get the rear, I'm happy.

[mantiszero]

No problem, i was planning on putting the horribly painted models in the back anyway.

[vectorawx3]

As long as you make sure to add to the pot I'm going to win, you can make all the insults you want.

[mantiszero]

Thats ok, my car is still cooler than yours!

[vectorawx3]

LEt me fix that for you:

Jun 4, 2008 18:45:00 GMT -4 mantiszero said:

Thats ok, my car is still cooler than yours... if I can ever get it running!

;D

[arash]

So another game played against Slann led LM (I won).

I like the list as it is. It is different than any of my other lists. The lion chariot should stay, not only does it give me an excuse to paint that gorgeous model, but it is also bad ass!

If you guys want to do the list as Jim put up, that is fine too. I would just drop some SM to get 21 seaguard.

However, I would vote for the list as is.

[zabzonk]

I'm going to give the list I put up a whirl and see how it does. The more I think about it the more I realize you'll need to pry my BSB led White Lions from my cold dead hands. ;D

Maybe we could each craft a list and have an impartial savant choose one. *shrug*

[mantiszero]

Jun 4, 2008 20:23:56 GMT -4 vectorawx3 said:

LEt me fix that for you:

Jun 4, 2008 18:45:00 GMT -4 mantiszero said:

Thats ok, my car is still cooler than yours... if I can ever get it running!

;D

Yes, as soon as i get my new Edelbrock carb i will be fine!!!

[vectorawx3]

Alright... last night I played against a hardcore nurgle DL list. GUO, Epidemus, Herald on palaquin with banner of sundering, 3 big units of bearers (one had banner of double-combat res from poison wounds), 1 unit of 3 riders, 1 unit of 3 nurglings, 7 furies. GUO and Herald both had staffs of nurgle.

Basically, I didn't know how banner of sundering worked, so I took light-magic on both my mages. Big mistake. If your opponent has that banner (or if you're playing closed lists and he MIGHT have that banner) then absolutely do NOT take light magic, and take two different lores on the two mages.

Shooting did GREAT against the army. Between the 5 shadow warriors, the RBT, and one unit of seaguard spread thin, I managed to kill off (after lots of turns, and with some magic and combat help) 2 units of bearers and the herald, and put a wound on Epidemus. I didn't think it was going to do so well, but with march blocking, I had plenty of opportunity to shoot. Nex time, I'll also use my other seaguard unit spread thin to do more damage, faster. Eagles managed to keep the riders out of the fight. And the chariots and princes managed to easily kill off the nurglings and furies. Nothing much was able to hurt big poppa. But I did put a couple of lucky wounds on him from shooting by the ranked seaguard unit. Not worth the trouble, though. His big weakness is that he's WS4, 4 attacks. He sucks! Threaten him with a ranked unit, and he does nothing but act as a glorified mage.

The heralds are a much bigger problem. With the regen they grant their units, the units become very difficult to fight... even with swordmasters, and chariots! And if you don't engage them, they'll throw that nasty nurgle fireball at you twice (d6 S5, take a toughness test of take another d6S5, etc. etc.). Once from the spell if they roll it, and once from the staff (bound 3). But they are uber-slow, so you can get around their flanks with spearmen and redirect them with fleeing eagles (or chariots, or whatever).

I ended up getting a draw, because I had no idea what nurgle could do (I had very little magic phase, since all my double 1's, 2's, 3's were miscasts... and I miscast twice early on and severely reduced my casting). Knowing what I know now, I'm confident I could beat up on a nurgle army without much issue. They're just too slow. I'll fight them again then next time I get the chance, and let you know how it goes.

So the record for the collective: 2 wins 3 draws and 4 losses

[jchrisobrien]

Gaming was light this weekend, (and will be nonexistant next weekend while I'm at a retreat) but you can chalk up a win to the HE over the VC!

A unit of seag guard, a BT, and some magic helped destroy the vampire lord on his abysmal terror on turn 2, and the army slowly wilted to nothing by the last turn.

While I do like the list as it is, in that it really rewards tactical play, here are some other options to think about.

Either adding white lions and a BSB to the list, or swapping white lions for the swordmasters and still getting a BSB in there. White Lions would be fully and match up with the chariot, but they are also very solid and dependable and great for fighting those tough T4 armies out there.

Trying the mage in a chariot. The tiranoc chariot on it's own is pretty limp, but adding a caster to it turns it into a rank branking unit. Add that in the flank, and a front charge from spears, and you have a crushing victory!

I've been enjoying the heck out of my games lately, so in this respect the Asur Challenge is already a success. How about at the end of June, we'll make our final decisions on the list?
Then it's just a matter of practice making perfect!

[vectorawx3]

Well, I like the list as-is. Anything else, and it's getting into the hard category, as far as I'm concerned, and that's not the point. If it was about winning games, we'd all be playing vamps or daemons.

Chris, you're saying that chariot in the flank + ranked unit in the front is a crushing victory... chariot in the FRONT + a ranked unit is also a crushing victory! (as things which have ranks you want to break aren't generally high enough toughness/armor save to survive impact hits.

Mage in a chariot, to me, is about as good an idea as a dragon mage. About the only character I'd put in a chariot is a BSB with banner of elyrion. But no.. I wouldn't do that.

So I will state that I wholeheartedly support the list as-is, with no changes. But yeah... we'll figure it out if there's enough dissent.

[mantiszero]

I havnt had many test games, busy weekends, but i am all for waiting another month and making changes then.