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Post by mantiszero on May 22, 2008 16:33:11 GMT -4
Banner + Warbanner allows them to charge a ranked unit in the front.
At least they took Dwarves to the face and won combat!
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Post by vectorawx3 on May 22, 2008 16:42:53 GMT -4
I'm liking that concept!
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Post by mantiszero on May 22, 2008 16:49:14 GMT -4
I am telling you, if you threaten any archers or guns with the Princes, you can get the Swordmasters to the lines. You also mave magic so you can damage those shooting units aswell.
I lost the Swordmasters once at Colonial, and that was to a Dark Elf Dragon, AFTER they beat down a Giant.
Armies that have to engage you tend to stay away from them and try to kill everything else, which is a bonus for the rest of our blocks.
Shooting armies like to try to kill them early, as they should, but thats where you use the Eagles/Princes/Chariots to pressure them and draw fire.
Unfortunarly, against magic they are pretty much boned. ;D
I have used small blocks of Lions and Guard and they arent as effective as the Swordmasters for the points.
We should totally get Reavers in this list! I think they are like 80 pts without Bows, and i have those converted models to use!
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Post by arash on May 22, 2008 19:19:20 GMT -4
So I played versus Travis today (still playing, but I think I know the outcome). He was playing 2nd gen slann (with a decent amount of saurus though).
I feel as if the list had everything it needed to win. I made a mistake on my right flank (namely cluttering it), and I think that will cost me. But that was my mistake, not the list.
As for Reavers, let's not. Right now the list is a blast to play. I think it has the right amount of effectiveness versus "elves with spears" factor.
Also, considering how many fear causers there are out there, I would like at least 1 mainline unit to be immune to fear. Thus, I think that lion banner is the right move for the swordmasters.
Now, the white lion versus swordmaster debate is entirely dependent on the bsb. If you have a bsb, then there isn't even an argument about which one is better.
Clearly it is White lions. With stubborn they are less prone to wiffing and having the unit disappear. Their attacks hit t4 on 2s (much better than 3s). They are protected from shooting and move through woods.
I would give that up for ws6 and 2 attacks anyday. With a bsb they become a perfect anchor for an army. I run 12 and I have never been disappointed with them.
Joe you lost your swordmasters once at colonial, I lost my white lions 0 times. Not because I am particularly good, but because they don't get run down, and have some sort of protection from shooting/chariots.
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Post by mantiszero on May 22, 2008 21:00:58 GMT -4
I was kidding about the Reavers... i just wanted to use the models i converted!
I lost the Swordmasters because the Giant killed 6 of them in 2 rounds before it died. Yeah, pick up and throw into unit is bad for T3 no save elves! The Dragon cleaned up he rest in combat. Personally, i would have just use the breath weapon to kill them, but what can you do.
I dont mind trying out Lions, like i said, i have the models BUT i just dont think they fit this kind of build. I think we need that Infantry Hammer unit and thats what the Masters of the S-Word do best!
EDIT: And i agree with the Lion Std for the Swordmasters, if they werent LD 8 maybe not, but i think we need the assurance that they will go when needed.
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Post by arash on May 22, 2008 21:12:44 GMT -4
I like SM, and would not mind using them at all.
I mean nothing is set in stone, lets all playtest with masters and see how we all feel about them.
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Post by mantiszero on May 22, 2008 21:39:24 GMT -4
I am going to try to get some games in this weekend...
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Post by vectorawx3 on May 23, 2008 9:16:55 GMT -4
I'll have none of this "testing"! Man up and take the list. It's good enough! Act live Elves, you panzies! Oh... wait... LOL
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Post by jchrisobrien on May 23, 2008 13:00:04 GMT -4
*runs away then counter charges* How's that for acting like an elf? I think the list has all the tools as well. The only part we're really debating now is white lions v. swordmasters. The BSB is still a possible ringer, but we'll see. Just because some of us having been playing this list already, doesn't mean the rest of us can't take it for a test drive
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Post by mantiszero on May 23, 2008 13:46:01 GMT -4
Yeah Nidal!!!
I cant wait to face a Bloodthirster... and blast him with 40+ Seaguard bow shots THEN stand and shoot!
I may only get a wound or 2 but its still awesome!
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Post by vectorawx3 on May 23, 2008 14:58:12 GMT -4
It's just fun rolling all those dice. And don't roll 11 dice, then 10 dice for the unit. Beg, borrow, steal dice, and roll them all in one GIANT handful!
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Post by mantiszero on May 23, 2008 16:16:06 GMT -4
Hmmm can i borrow 40 Warmonger dice??? I am sure i can kill a Thirster with 20 shots using those!!!
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Post by vectorawx3 on May 24, 2008 12:53:31 GMT -4
Only if I'm rolling. (and it works for all dice... just ask my dad how frustrated he gets playing backgammon against me)
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Post by mantiszero on May 27, 2008 15:23:33 GMT -4
So... i got a game in yesterday against "Chainsaw" Khorne DL.
Skulltaker on a Jug 2 Heralds on Jugs - S7 0+ Save 1 BsB Sundering Herald on Chariot - S7 0+ Save
4x 10 man Letter units 4x 5 Flesh Hounds
Plague Beast Plague Beast
I ended up losing this game (400pts), only because all of the characters have a 0+ armor save. This HE army has no way to get through that kind of armor.
I beat the army for 5 turns, won combat, shot the Hounds and killed them, all he had left was 4 characters a unit of letters. He would send a Herald into the Spears, i would sit there, he would pass his LD test because i would only win by 1 or 2 since i couldnt wound and his S7 kills elves dead. Then they get combo charged and die.
I killed everything in the Demon army except the Characters and 8 bloodletters. I should have killed Skulltaker with my bolt thrower but i only scored 1 wound on the D3... poop!!!
Thoughts on the HE list: The Lion Chariot is good, but i would rather have a 6th Dragon Prince and a 2nd Bolt Thrower for the points. The extra Prince allows the unit to charge units in the front without worry and the Bolt Thrower gives the army a shooting phase. Magic phase is ok, personally i would (and i do) take the Silver Wand over the Jewel of Dusk just because i like the extra spell rather than 1 dice.
Anyone else get games in?
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Post by arash on May 27, 2008 15:31:19 GMT -4
I've managed 3 games (albeit all online) with the list.
I am at 2 losses and a draw. So far I faced- 2nd gen slann- rest kind of standard (Loss) Empire- Archlector, 3x30 swordsmen, 2 hellblasters, 2 cannons (Draw) Vamps- Standard build but with 4 Corpse Carts and 2 Varghulfs (Minor Loss)
I will say, that during all of the games, it was my own d**n fault for losing. I have been deploying my Swordmasters completely wrong all of the games. Otherwise, I felt as if I could have won all of the games.
I think it will take some getting used to (especially the using 4 units of infantry bit) but I am having fun with the list so far.
Lion chariots= awesome by the way, they have been performing great, I love them.
As for things I would change, so far its nothing. I want to get at least 7-8 games underneath my belt before I suggest anything. So far I haven't faced anything that I couldn't have beaten, rather I have faced a lot of things that I misplayed.
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