Dwarf Army Lists

[deathben]

Hey everyone,

I will be bringing Dwarfs to the Crossroads, and I have two lists for comping and commenting.

Gunline:
This list is similar to the one I take a lot, except for a few minor changes. It is also the list that is almost fully painted (except for 5 Longbeards and an Engineer).

Dwarf Lord @ 241 Pts
General; Great Weapon; Shieldbearers; Rune of Stone; Master Rune of Spite; Rune of Luck (x1)

Master Engineer @ 85 Pts
Rune of Stone; Brace of Pistols

Runesmith @ 147 Pts
Shield; Master Rune of Dismay; Rune of Spellbreaking (x2)

Thane @ 135 Pts
Battle Standard Bearer; Rune of Cleaving; Master Rune of Gromril

19 Longbeards @ 303 Pts
Musician; Standard Bearer; Champion; Shields; Runic Standard (Rune of Courage; Rune of Determination)

19 Hammerers @ 277 Pts
Musician; Standard Bearer; Champion; Shields

15 Slayers @ 165 Pts

10 Thunderers @ 150 Pts
Shields

10 Thunderers @ 150 Pts
Shields

Grudge Thrower @ 150 Pts
Rune of Accuracy; Rune of Penetrating (x1); Engineer w/ 2 Pistols

Bolt Thrower @ 90 Pts
Rune of Penetrating (x1); Engineer w/ 2 Pistols

Bolt Thrower @ 95 Pts
Rune of Burning; Rune of Penetrating (x1); Engineer w/ 2 Pistols

Organ Gun @ 120 Pts

Gyrocopter @ 140 Pts

Total Roster Cost: 2248


Infantry Anvil List:
This list is much friendlier, but is only about 1/2 Painted.

Runelord @ 368 Pts
Shield; Anvil of Doom; Rune of Spellbreaking (x2)

Thane @ 205 Pts
Runic Standard (Rune of Courage; Rune of Guarding; Strollaz's Rune)

Thane @ 164 Pts
Great Weapon; Oath Stone; Stonebeards: 'Hammerers'; Master Rune of Kragg the Grim; Rune of Fury (x1); Rune of Snorri Spangelhelm (x1); Rune of Stone

10 Dwarf Warriors @ 120 Pts
Great Weapon; Shield; Champion

10 Dwarf Warriors @ 120 Pts
Great Weapon; Shield; Champion

10 Dwarf Warriors @ 120 Pts
Great Weapon; Shield; Champion

10 Dwarf Warriors @ 120 Pts
Great Weapon; Shield; Champion

20 Dwarf Warriors @ 315 Pts)
Runic Standard (Master Rune of Grungni); Shields; Musician; Standard Bearer; Champion

20 Hammerers @ 320 Pts
Runic Standard (Rune of Courage); Shields

10 Slayers @ 110 Pts

10 Miners @ 145 Pts
Champion w/ Steam Drill

Gyrocopter @ 140 Pts

Total Roster Cost: 2247

Thanks,
Ben

[skyth]

I think that the first list is friendlier...Not that it's all that friendly. Second list has lots of MSU units with no standard, the Anvil, and Miners. Just no shooting. How about a mix of the both?

[deathben]

Wow, this is the first time someone has actually liked the Gunline better than the Infantry/Anvil List . Enlighten me as to why you think that the first list is friendlier. Also, please expand on how you think I should mix it up.

-Ben

[notmatthew]

This is coming from a pure in game perspective...but I would much rather play against an infantry based dwarf army than a gunline...anvil or not. I don't think that the anvil is too scary when not combined with tons of shooty. I really like the 2nd army and I would imagine that it would be much more fun for you and your opponent regardless of its power level.

[skyth]

Note - I don't consider either list to be a 'friendly' list...Just that the gunline is friendlier than the infantry list

My opinion comes from the miners plus anvil, which can equal an instant rear charge and the lack of cannons in the 'gunline' list. Plus the MSU and lack of banners in the infantry list. The rear charge, possibly multiples, can wreck armies, whereas you don't have enough shooting in the first to wipe units off the board.

I would perfer to see several larger blocks of warriors with full command and maybe a couple war machines without any Anvil.

[jchrisobrien]

Most people would like to see several large dwarf infantry blocks with a couple war machines.
They call that "easy victory points!"

While I'm not commenting directly on comp, we have an example of the dwarf player's eternal dilema. If they go with large blocks of infantry, they are often surrounded and wiped out. If they go with lots of shooting, it's a gunline and not much fun.

What is a dwarf to do?

[khaineslilhelper]

Play Orcs?

[larro]

I wouldn't rate either army particularly high on Comp. I'm not a believer in this nonsense idea that some armies just get good Comp by showing up, Dwarfs included. Some Dwarf guy just won a GT with a list I'd give at best a 12 to, and possibly a 10-11, so I don't want to hear it. Both lists are annoyingly tuned and look shitty to play against.

- Larry

[deathben]

"Both lists are annoyingly tuned and look shitty to play against."

Ok, then what is the ideal Dwarf list, one that is good enough to win, but not good enough to be cheesy?

The first list isn't even a complete gunline (it has 3 blocks of infantry, and no anvil), and the second one is in no way a nasty list. A dwarf army without shooting is cheesy? Please.

Dwarfs can win two ways. There is the traditional way of having a gunline, taking advantage of their guns, toughness, and leadership, while minimizing their movement. The other way is to take an anvil, strollaz, and 2-3 big blocks with 4-5 small blocks.

[larro]

And the 2nd way is actually a game for your opponent, instead of an exercise in dice rolling dependent entirely on whether the Dwarf shoots enough or misses enough.

- Larry

[deathben]

Ok, I have changed the 2nd list, adding more shooting, and making it more balanced. Comp scores welcome. This list is for charging, it is not intended to be a gunline, so I am aiming for the soft bracket.

Here it is:

Runelord @ 373 Pts
Anvil of Doom, Rune of Stone, 2 Spellbreak Runes, Shield

Thane (BSB) @ 160 Pts
BSB, Rune of Fury, Rune of Cleaving, Master Rune of Gromril

Thane @ 119 Pts
Great Weapon, Rune of Stone, Master Rune of Challenge, Oathstone (Longbeards)

10 Dwarf Warriors @ 120 Pts
Great Weapon; Shield; Champion

10 Thunderers @ 150 Pts
Shields

20 Dwarf Warriors @ 205 Pts
Shields, Full Command

20 Dwarf Longbeards @ 315 Pts
Rune of Courage, Rune of Determination, Shields, Full Command

10 Hammerers @ 142 Pts
Shields, Champion

Bolt Thrower @ 85 Pts
Engineer, Rune of Penetration

Bolt Thrower @ 90 Pts
Engineer, Rune of Penetration, Rune of Burning

10 Slayers @ 110 Pts

10 Miners @ 120 Pts
Champion

Gyrocopter @ 140 Pts

Organ Gun @ 120 Pts

[vectorawx3]

My opinion is that if you're aiming for a combat list, having 2 units with +4 combat res is a bit light. But it certainly looks balanced, in my eyes. The big issues to comp that I see are the flaky anvil and the seemingly ubiquitous dwarven reliance on two S7 bolt-throwers (yawn).

think if you swapped out a bolt-thrower for ANYTHING else which isn't duplicated (a cannon, or whatever), you'd have a great one-of-everything list (hell, even the warriors are equipped differently) and that, to me, is worth major style points!

[gjnoronh]

I like it I agree the bolt throwers/Anvil are the hits but they aren't huge ones. I think out of 20 I'd give it 12-15.

Probably an 16-18 base with a drop for the anvil. No anvil and it would be higher.

Dude can't you put another rune of courage on the other brick?

[deathben]

Yeah, I can't put Runic Standards on Dwarf Warriors.

As for switching out a bolt thrower, what would I switch it out for? Because BTs are 2 for 1 special choices, I am still taking up 4 Special Slots.

[skyth]

Switch it out to one without strength 7