Spring Break 2014 Comp

[noah]

Interesting stuff! Overall I like a lot of the changes, it almost feels like you're specifically trying to get me to bring my beastmen and dragon ogres :oP

It's all bouncing around in my head, very curious to see how this all shakes out.

[generalofchaos2]

Some of it's a bit head scratching to me...

Why did WoC get hit harder? In the fall event only 1 WoC player finished in the top 20 spots [14th Brian Moyer] and only 2 hit the top 25 spots. I guess they needed to be hit even harder for the Spring Break Event?

In the soft comp DaBoyz GT, best WoC best finish was 6th & 10th. Heck Dark Elves finished 1-2 and the comp for Crossroads GT Dark Elves is pretty much nothing? As there over the top best unit are the new Warlocks. How the hell they did not get toned down? Wait you have to take 8 of them? [WOW.. Horrors got hit twice as hard for DoC players] Yet Warlocks are 5x better then Horrors.

I do think Cory hit a home run with Beasts and Dragon Ogres, that I agree with. But WoC and DoC been hit a little too hard in my book.

[Murdock]

;D Waiting to roll out you DP/Chariot themed Chaos army George.

[generalofchaos2]

Me & Rhys have a name change bet for the Herdstone, for the outcome of our game. Good till the fall Crossroads GT... he wants to change my name to: "George_WishI'dRunTheNetList_OConnell" if he wins?

Because of my vocal hatred for the WoC net list, I hate copy cat list with a passion. [you should know that]

Now I still do not agree with the harsher comp for WoC armies. I did not see any reason for any change from last year's event. So what changed from the Fall Crossroads event till now, for the harsher comp on WoC armies?

Now if you say your trying to stay in line with ETC comp, then I understand fully. But the results from last year's fall Crossroads say's the comp is pretty rough as is for WoC player's. Yet it got even harder.

[rhysm]

More than likely its to get people to put some thought into their warriors lists. The comp really isn't that harsh, it just hits all of the no-brainer stuff.

[generalofchaos2]

The one good thing is, at least every other army with not be WoC. [that can get old quick]

I have a gut feeling DE will be the popular army. Cool new book & cool looking models and they did great at the DaBoyz.

[rhysm]

I agree, one of elf dark lef builds that I am considering is one that will totally maul daemons, warriors, and other dark elves.

[rhysm]

I agree, one of the dark elf builds that I am considering is one that will totally maul daemons, warriors, and other dark elves.

[generalofchaos2]

I see...

A] 2 Assassins with one taking D3W weapon with Potion of Strength & the other one taking the Other Trickster Shard
B] I see a flying Pegasus Character with the Cloak of Twilight
C] I see 2 units of Warlocks
D] I see Dark Riders filling up your core points

As far as Daemons go, without the Horrors magic missile range attacks. [comp killed this] They do not have the speed to catch a good DE army or the ability now to magic fire DE off the table. There a 0-1 choice on Skillcannons, but any comp event has this restriction.

Now Warriors because of comp, do not have the speed either. They have fast cav [Marauder Horsemen & Hellstriders? But DE will shoot them down with ease. There 0-3 limit on DP, Chimera's & Skullcrushers. There real fast speed units. DP got crushed so hard with the Nerf Bat, it's seeing star's still. [but all comp events hit the Daemon Prince to be fair]

As far as DE list's, that will be your real challenge. Because of the lack of comp for them? I would not be shocked at seeing at least 3 in the top 10? Maybe as high as 5 or 6 player's in the top 10.

Not saying the Masters will be won by DE, but on a whole they will be the most dominate Warhammer army there. It's point denial on steroids, throw in that other top books are getting Nerf hard at Crossroads. It's easy to see DE armies having a field day.

[rhysm]

3 in the top 10 max I think, there's only 3 players with DE armies that will be able to do it (because Corey isn't playing).

They're powerful, but they're not WoC. You can't just build a nails list and let it play for you, even brutally powerful DE builds can be cracked open if a mistake is made. This is what will keep most DE players out of the top 10 imo.

[generalofchaos2]

UK Masters guess what DE crushed the field, it's going to be the same thing at the US Masters.

It's the best point denial army in Warhammer. Combine that with Doom Bolt and some insane magic items and almost anyone can win with DE. [how hard is it to avoid combat with Fast Cav & Fliers?] Now the difference at the Crossroads Springbreak for DE and WoC is one got comp and the other get's a free ride.

DE is not a secret and anyone can win with them, it's far from a skill army. Shoot and Doom Bolt your opponent into submission.

[rhysm]

Jan 20, 2014 3:05:14 GMT -4 generalofchaos2 said:

UK Masters guess what DE crushed the field, it's going to be the same thing at the US Masters.

UK masters also used 2000 pts with no comp, totally incomparable to 2500 pts of swede. That's like saying the Broncos would crush the LA Galaxy in a game of cricket.

I also think you're totally wrong about how well DE will do. I'd tell you why, but since we're competing against each other (and I haven't yet ruled out the possibility of taking my own DE), I'll save that conversation for Saturday night at Xroads over some beers.

[generalofchaos2]

At a no comp event DE crushed the field, but at the Crossroads GT there is heavy comp. Yet DE got almost nothing for comp? Yet you think they are going to struggle at the Crossroads GT?

Also I should be a easy round #1 victim, still getting my feet wet. I also do not see Warriors as much of a threat. Because there best build been nerfed pretty bad.

[wyverneye8]

Nasty Elves are only T3. Shoot them or force them to flee off an edge :-) Those Warlocks can be a pain though.

J

[rhysm]

Jan 21, 2014 22:02:59 GMT -4 generalofchaos2 said:

At a no comp event DE crushed the field, but at the Crossroads GT there is heavy comp. Yet DE got almost nothing for comp? Yet you think they are going to struggle at the Crossroads GT?

I didn't say they were going to struggle. I said they were not going to dominate the top ten. The army book is good, but it's not a brainless push-forward circus like the WoC net list. Will average players likely do well with DE? Yes. Will average players crush veterans in order to crack top ten? Please.

Also I should be a easy round #1 victim, still getting my feet wet. I also do not see Warriors as much of a threat. Because there best build been nerfed pretty bad.

Crossroads is not heavy comp, even on Warriors. They've had some bells and whistles taken away. You're constantly on COTEC talking about how top tier the book is. Top tier books don't fall apart when the optimal build can't be used. I agree with you that WoC get hit a lot harder than DE but this gloom and doom is very unbecoming of you. Given your vehement hated of the net list and your penchant for out of the box thinking, I am surprised that the comp bothers you at all.