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gjnoronh
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« Thread Started on Sept 29, 2009, 10:05am » | |
Seeing as I've been PMing folks with results and dropping dribs and drabs on TWF and other forums about my crossroads experience I thought I'd put together a battle report.
My WoC list:
Valkia
2x level 1 undivided scroll caddies favor of the gods, enchanted shield vs barded steed collar of khorne and bloodcurdling roar
2 x 15 warrior bricks rapturous standard/banner of rage shields one with Great weapons
1 x 10 halberd shield warriors
4 x minimum dogs
1 x 3 ogres no great weapons
1 x 6 forsaken
1 x MoT shrine
1 x unmarked giant
12/20 comp (max in the room 16 lowest 4 ignoring unusual outliers)
Design thoughts - I've been playing WoC since 1990 or so and have an army that dominated in 4th,5th edition that I've added bits to here and there in sixth and seventh. This army has won two best army awards (2004 and 2005 Baltimore Games Day tournaments) at big events, but I didn't know if it held up againstt my more recent painting. Coming into this event with a 11 month old baby and a very busy job I wanted to see how my old army's painting held up, and didn't want to paint a bunch of new toys with not much time to do it. Turned out to be a good choice as I ended up not done with painting going into friday. I picked some of these units (forsaken) because I wanted to show off some of my coolest old conversions (my old character models were downgraded to forsaken) and I left behind some top choices (chaos knights) as the painting wasn't great -AND they are old enough to come with lances standard.
I think Valkia is just a cool concept and while adding some mobile hittiness her best effects is she makes the otherwise lackluster EoTG table more useful (particularly with a shrine and a favor of the gods carrying sorcerer) Giants with marks are powerful but die just as easy to shooting (by and large) so I saved the points there. I still love chaos warriors and wanted to know if chaos infantry could compete in the current environment. Dogs are there for the cheap deployments and point for point were my MVPS of the event.
Overall results were 0.500 including two pickup games (win and a draw) in the GT games 1-2-2 Drew against 6 comp DoC, 7 comp chaos dwarves and a 7-9 comp DE list. Lost to High elves and another chaos dwarf list. Beat empire and WoC.
I hadn't played the list at all prior to the event so really I'm quite satisfied. Haven't played hordes/warriors of chaos at a tournament at all since 2005 or so. With draws against two big three opponents and losses against CD where I hadn't played them before I'm okay with that. I felt like as the event went on I was learning more about how to play the list. Refused flank/deployment phase was defiintely where it was at for this small slow army.
Valkia was a mixed bag - she killed all of 300 points in my first 4 GT games and in the last game killed two empire heros in one round of combat. Really found I didn't know how to use Valkia to advantage (6 opponents with lots of magic/cannons/bolt throwers made me cautious) BSB and rerolls on EOTG were her most important effects. Using her effectively in combat however was quite hard as EVERY GT opponent I played had bolt throwers/cannons and magic aplenty so I didn't feel comfortable charging her out on her own. She had a bad run in my first game getting caught up in combat against some blunderbus troops for 5 combat phases (despite also having flanking dogs!) I think a BSB/general combo with favor/ steeds of slaanesh or discs would have done as much with less angst on my part about the risk of losing a 500 point model to a DE executioner or bolt thrower.
The mages were quite useful with favor/magic resistance and solid armor saves meaning I could use them to take challenges and give me some pre combat army buffing/protecting benefits.
The bricks backed by Valkia's BSB effects -banner of rage/rapturous standard with some supporting work were able to do a fair amount of damage against a lot of things. The bricks worked because I had enough cheap fast deployments that I could usually put them down after my opponent had shown their deployment hand. The supporting unit of ten was relatively cheap and also had to be respected by opponents could use it as a distracting deployment - and it even tied up a hydra for a game by fleeing and rallying every time it charged .
Forsaken I used in two roles - interdiction of flanks against cav/monsters when I played refused flank, and warmachine hunting. At 100 points they were fine in this role (the alternate would have been a unit of marauder cav - more mobile but less hitty and certainly more painting) I didn't really try to get them to do much but for 100 points folks had to pay some attention to them in their movement or shooting/magic phase. I think giving folks some other things they had to think about helped me get the bricks across the board in one piece.
Ogres were just a deployment to slow folks down and confuse them where I was going I would consider dropping chaos armor. Fear move six and rank breaking were their best parts they also were used as a distracing deployment. Great weapons are of course wonderful but I couldn't fit them in.
The giant was useless - got into combat in ONE of my seven games with just too much magic/shooting out there. I hid him in terrain frequently. Maybe with more warmachine hunters he would have been more useful (give the mages steeds of slaanesh?)
The shrine was excellent and in addition to EoTG at T6 and 3+ ward I realized made a pretty good line of site blocker for bolt throwers or flank gaurd against choppy units with low static combat resolution. For the points I might have been better off with two of them.
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gjnoronh
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« Reply #1 on Sept 29, 2009, 11:39am » | |
Comp and painting are in the eye of the beholder and I've never seen an event where everyone was happy with what they got. I thought 12/20 was a bit low for this list that deferred on almost all the best parts of WoC but the special character was an unclear hit. I really thought it was possible I might be in the gnoblar bracket for the first two rounds.
I'm curious if I had substituted two steed/disc mounted heros/lords how it would have comped out - I think it would have been about as effective.
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« Reply #2 on Sept 29, 2009, 11:47am » | |
Your giant only got into combat in one game, but when he did, he even did well dying for you. 
12/20 seemed maybe a tick too low, but then again I really thought I was a 10ish going into the festivities, so what do I know. The army certainly wasn't overpowered-the fact that there weren't any knights alone was huge to me, let alone the lack of marauder horsemen. I also never see Forsaken, so that to me was worth something as well.
Just want to say again how awesome that game was Gary.
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« Reply #3 on Sept 29, 2009, 12:26pm » | |
Great game.
I'm too foggy to do battle by battle reports. But your game sticks with me - just an awesome fun game. In retrospect I should have found some other way to get the second bolt thrower on my right (the mage on steed for example) and also killed those bull centaurs.
Really when there are something like 10 models per side left alive at the end of the game and it's a draw by 1 point you know it was fun!
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« Reply #4 on Sept 29, 2009, 5:46pm » | |
Hey I had hardly any magic, you just whiffed with your special character
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« Reply #5 on Sept 29, 2009, 6:07pm » | |
Well it was enough to make me a bit nervous - your game was the only one I really tried to have valkia go hunting on her own and we saw how well that worked for me 
Maybe a bit of marauder cav just to give her some support here and there would have been nice!
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« Reply #6 on Sept 29, 2009, 7:43pm » | |
I had two level 1's with 1 bound 5 each. 4 dice 1 scroll had no problem stopping me during the tourney. Maybe better generalship, like my mad leet generalship, would have helped:o 
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« Reply #7 on Sept 29, 2009, 8:11pm » | |
Dude I was so outplayed in just about every game. . . yours in particular - it was ridiculous. Definitely out played me. Look I had 4 dice and 2 scrolls. . . beats me I was worried but I guess it was just the bolt throwers.
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« Reply #8 on Sept 29, 2009, 10:36pm » | |
my gaming quality is totally at a low ebb during saturday afternoon and sunday morning. gotta be the shoes, since the drinking probably has nothing to do with it
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« Reply #9 on Oct 2, 2009, 7:44pm » | |
The Legion as a whole had our best Win/Loss ratios in rounds 2 and 5. Second game of the day, baby! After we’d woken up/shaken off the hangovers in our first games, but before we got tired.
Nice report, Gary! Cool army. I'm really tempted to try Valkia at some point, much as my Slaanesh-loving heart usually sneers at Khorne.
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« Reply #10 on Oct 6, 2009, 9:52am » | |
Yeah mixing is a weird thing - but whatever WoC is back to being a gimish as it was in fifth.
Valkia was a lot of fun - still not clear how to use her optimally but learning.
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